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		<title>By: Chilko Tardis</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chilko Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to apologize for my comments here. I didn&#039;t read everything about Schome and it&#039;s mission.
&quot;Some mistakes were made by some people, overall it was a good idea&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to apologize for my comments here. I didn&#8217;t read everything about Schome and it&#8217;s mission.<br />
&#8220;Some mistakes were made by some people, overall it was a good idea&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Berry</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Kath, i think you should make a really long paper, showing how schome has failed, and how others on the TG have exceeded so other educators don’t make the same mistakes.
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<p>I could, but that would be a lie. You and Animus have both managed to completely miss the point.</p>
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		<title>By: tilko chardis</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3448</link>
		<dc:creator>tilko chardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who is chilko tardis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who is chilko tardis?</p>
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		<title>By: chilko tardis</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3447</link>
		<dc:creator>chilko tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kath, i think you should make a really long paper, showing how schome has failed, and how others on the TG have exceeded so other educators don&#039;t make the same mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kath, i think you should make a really long paper, showing how schome has failed, and how others on the TG have exceeded so other educators don&#8217;t make the same mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Topper</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>Topper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry if my last post was miss interpreted but the bit about the person wasent about the post but at cilko tardis not you sorry. and good luck in your exams

Topper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry if my last post was miss interpreted but the bit about the person wasent about the post but at cilko tardis not you sorry. and good luck in your exams</p>
<p>Topper</p>
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		<title>By: PeterT</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to Kathy&#039;s comments at 8.26 on April 28th.

I agree re the newsletter - final version was only agreed yesterday (delayed cos of my being on holiday etc) - so sorry for that one Kathy, it was a bit sneaky. :O}
(KitKatKid - I aim to send out the link to the mag to folk later today - but feel free to add info about it to the wiki in the meantime ...)

Re funding - everything you said about funding is true - I didn&#039;t mention funding in my previous comment cos I was only picking up on things I didn&#039;t necessarily agree with in your original post - which was perhaps foolish of me. 

There is an interesting relationship between funding and our research priorities ... even if we had funding at this stage I would still feel we needed to close down Schome Park so that we can reflect on what we have learnt and reset our strategic direction. I think we have probably learnt as much from Phase 3 as we are likely to learn (or at least will have done so by the end of May) - and need to have a chance to evaluate and refocus for the next phase (whatever that might be). 

Have to agree that the Schome Park Programme is a subset of the schome initiative (like a park in London is part of London) - and a critical one in terms of challenging our thinking. Your input into that process has (as usual) been perceptive and challenging. :O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to Kathy&#8217;s comments at 8.26 on April 28th.</p>
<p>I agree re the newsletter &#8211; final version was only agreed yesterday (delayed cos of my being on holiday etc) &#8211; so sorry for that one Kathy, it was a bit sneaky. :O}<br />
(KitKatKid &#8211; I aim to send out the link to the mag to folk later today &#8211; but feel free to add info about it to the wiki in the meantime &#8230;)</p>
<p>Re funding &#8211; everything you said about funding is true &#8211; I didn&#8217;t mention funding in my previous comment cos I was only picking up on things I didn&#8217;t necessarily agree with in your original post &#8211; which was perhaps foolish of me. </p>
<p>There is an interesting relationship between funding and our research priorities &#8230; even if we had funding at this stage I would still feel we needed to close down Schome Park so that we can reflect on what we have learnt and reset our strategic direction. I think we have probably learnt as much from Phase 3 as we are likely to learn (or at least will have done so by the end of May) &#8211; and need to have a chance to evaluate and refocus for the next phase (whatever that might be). </p>
<p>Have to agree that the Schome Park Programme is a subset of the schome initiative (like a park in London is part of London) &#8211; and a critical one in terms of challenging our thinking. Your input into that process has (as usual) been perceptive and challenging. :O)</p>
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		<title>By: KitKatKid</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3437</link>
		<dc:creator>KitKatKid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything Kathy and it has become very clear that school groups do not work in Schome Park. School students do, but not groups. And Peter, why hasn&#039;t the newsletter been published on the wiki/forum yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything Kathy and it has become very clear that school groups do not work in Schome Park. School students do, but not groups. And Peter, why hasn&#8217;t the newsletter been published on the wiki/forum yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Berry</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I said you hadn&#039;t published anything, the emphasis was a actually on you being busy weiting more, not criticism due to lack of writing. I also wish to make a point that the comments of this blog post is the first place this newsletter has been published. So I feel that this, too, is somewhat disingenuous. 

My perspective is that, of course, schome park is not schome. And a park in London isn&#039;t London. Schome Park is, however, contained within schome. If I said it was the end of schome, that was an error (if I said it explicitly it was also a typo).

And you said the reason for closing it was la k of funding. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I said you hadn&#8217;t published anything, the emphasis was a actually on you being busy weiting more, not criticism due to lack of writing. I also wish to make a point that the comments of this blog post is the first place this newsletter has been published. So I feel that this, too, is somewhat disingenuous. </p>
<p>My perspective is that, of course, schome park is not schome. And a park in London isn&#8217;t London. Schome Park is, however, contained within schome. If I said it was the end of schome, that was an error (if I said it explicitly it was also a typo).</p>
<p>And you said the reason for closing it was la k of funding. :p</p>
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		<title>By: PeterT</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3435</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that as always Kathy&#039;s post is an interesting mixture of stuff I totally agree with and stuff where my perspective is slightly different.

I guess the key difference in perspective relates to the purpose of the Schome Park Programme - for me it was (and always has been) about exploring ideas to do with schome and extending our thinking about what schome might be like and what works/does not work. So Schome Park was never intended TO BE schome (indeed it never could be because schome will have to have physical as well as virtual spaces).

Phase 3 of the programme was specifically aiming to explore the extent to which a schome ethos could co-exist alongside formal schooling - and I guess Kathy is right that in some ways this was a no-brainer - it cannot do so - however, some interesting things have arisen from the tensions that have been evident in Phase 3 so far which have helped to clarify some key dimensions along which schome and school clearly differ. So in that sense it has been a useful process. 

The difference in perspective about the purpose of the running Schome Park is clear here - and Kathy is right in saying that some of the decisions that have been taken - including the one about allowing school groups into Schome Park (and shutting down Phase 3 at the end of May) - reflect the fact that this is a research project. 

The complexity of the sign-up process also (partially) reflects this - because we need students and parents to be aware that this is a research project and to agree to take part in it (all within BERA&#039;s ethical guidelines and with approval from the OU ethics committee).  This only partially explains the complexity of the sign up process and I agree that we need to do something to make it quicker and easier ...

In terms of writing stuff up - Kathy is being a little disingenuous in saying that we haven&#039;t published anything - see the publications page in the schome website (http://www.schome.ac.uk). However, I agree that we have a lot more data to analyse and a lot of additional things to say - indeed the key reason for closing Schome Park at the end of Phase 3 is so that we can focus our time and effort on reflecting upon what we have learnt (and publishing some stuff) and thinking about what the next steps should be. 

So whilst the end of May represents the end of Phase 3 of the Schome Park Programme it is not the end of the programme as a whole by any means ... and we may well follow some of Kathy&#039;s advice about how to move forward.

Check out the first edition of MySchome magazine (the newsletter that Kathy referred to) for hints of what the future might hold ... (you can download a copy from http://tinyurl.com/3v2qzw)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that as always Kathy&#8217;s post is an interesting mixture of stuff I totally agree with and stuff where my perspective is slightly different.</p>
<p>I guess the key difference in perspective relates to the purpose of the Schome Park Programme &#8211; for me it was (and always has been) about exploring ideas to do with schome and extending our thinking about what schome might be like and what works/does not work. So Schome Park was never intended TO BE schome (indeed it never could be because schome will have to have physical as well as virtual spaces).</p>
<p>Phase 3 of the programme was specifically aiming to explore the extent to which a schome ethos could co-exist alongside formal schooling &#8211; and I guess Kathy is right that in some ways this was a no-brainer &#8211; it cannot do so &#8211; however, some interesting things have arisen from the tensions that have been evident in Phase 3 so far which have helped to clarify some key dimensions along which schome and school clearly differ. So in that sense it has been a useful process. </p>
<p>The difference in perspective about the purpose of the running Schome Park is clear here &#8211; and Kathy is right in saying that some of the decisions that have been taken &#8211; including the one about allowing school groups into Schome Park (and shutting down Phase 3 at the end of May) &#8211; reflect the fact that this is a research project. </p>
<p>The complexity of the sign-up process also (partially) reflects this &#8211; because we need students and parents to be aware that this is a research project and to agree to take part in it (all within BERA&#8217;s ethical guidelines and with approval from the OU ethics committee).  This only partially explains the complexity of the sign up process and I agree that we need to do something to make it quicker and easier &#8230;</p>
<p>In terms of writing stuff up &#8211; Kathy is being a little disingenuous in saying that we haven&#8217;t published anything &#8211; see the publications page in the schome website (<a href="http://www.schome.ac.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.schome.ac.uk</a>). However, I agree that we have a lot more data to analyse and a lot of additional things to say &#8211; indeed the key reason for closing Schome Park at the end of Phase 3 is so that we can focus our time and effort on reflecting upon what we have learnt (and publishing some stuff) and thinking about what the next steps should be. </p>
<p>So whilst the end of May represents the end of Phase 3 of the Schome Park Programme it is not the end of the programme as a whole by any means &#8230; and we may well follow some of Kathy&#8217;s advice about how to move forward.</p>
<p>Check out the first edition of MySchome magazine (the newsletter that Kathy referred to) for hints of what the future might hold &#8230; (you can download a copy from <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3v2qzw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3v2qzw</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Explo Schomer</title>
		<link>http://kathar.in/2008/04/schome-park-the-third/comment-page-1/#comment-3433</link>
		<dc:creator>Explo Schomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that is a proper rant! :) To be fair to Noel, I think it is the projects that were judged on the result, rather than just the buildings, seeing as some of the projects were event based (filming the rest of the projects, for instance). Because of this, I&#039;d say the main fault with the projects is not so much in limited scope, but in having to conform to a form of mark scheme, which can never match up to what people actually get out of them. I&#039;d rant about ticking the boxes and jumping through the hoops but you&#039;ve done a much better job at it than I could manage-it&#039;s a hard act to follow. :P

So...yes...sayonara, I guess, and thank you, truly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that is a proper rant! <img src='http://kathar.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  To be fair to Noel, I think it is the projects that were judged on the result, rather than just the buildings, seeing as some of the projects were event based (filming the rest of the projects, for instance). Because of this, I&#8217;d say the main fault with the projects is not so much in limited scope, but in having to conform to a form of mark scheme, which can never match up to what people actually get out of them. I&#8217;d rant about ticking the boxes and jumping through the hoops but you&#8217;ve done a much better job at it than I could manage-it&#8217;s a hard act to follow. <img src='http://kathar.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So&#8230;yes&#8230;sayonara, I guess, and thank you, truly.</p>
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